1966 Grand Prix

[Mike 240sx]

Say what you will, but i just recently saw the 1966 movie Grand Prix an.....WOW!!...what a great movie, by far the best racing movie i have ever seen. Really Great!

[Cullen]

Agreed.

They sure don't make em' like they used to. The original Gone in 60 Seconds has a great 30+minute car chase at the end, and the French made 'Taxi' movies are a must. You know, movies in which the editors haven't cut up a shot into 6 different angles so you loose all perception of the speed....:mad:

[-W-]

WHAT!!!:mad:

[medside]

that car chase scene in the original 60 sec. is insane.

[nalbar]

Best car chase in a movie?

No contest....'Bullet'

And yes, I saw both 'Bullet' and 'Grand Prix' on the big screen in theatres the years of their release.



nalbar

[magicman]

Best car sequence...... The Itialian job (original) w/Michael Cain.
The minis rock.

[Cullen]

Best car chase in a movie?

No contest....'Bullet'

And yes, I saw both 'Bullet' and 'Grand Prix' on the big screen in theatres the years of their release.



nalbar

You failed to mention whether you've seen the old Gone in 60 Seconds. I've seen all three and Bullet can't compare to 60 Seconds.
In fact, Bullit is comparable to the French Taxi's. The French actually make a lot of good movies.

Ronin also has a couple good scenes.

[nalbar]

Yes, I saw Gone in 60 seconds.

It's too fake. Bullet is a car chase. It's actually two cars driving FAST through San Francisco. Shot out of sequences, sure, but still two cars driving fast.

60 seconds is a series of staged stunts edited together. No 'good' chase scene has a slow motion car jumping 100 feet, over a traffic jam. Myth Busters proved you can't do it and have the car survive. Myth Busted. Special effects ruin chase scenes.




Yah Terry, the minis are pretty good (I have that DVD on my shelf). I had forgotten that one.

But IMO the mustang is still the best.


And Steve McQueen did his own driving. Like James Garner.



nalbar

[dwkfym]

And you guys have all seen "Le Mans" right?

Most cars won't survive any sort of real jump.
Wait, yes they can! The General Lee can!

[Mike 240sx]

yeah, Le Mans is good too...i actually saw that before i saw Grand Prix, but i liked grand prix alot better...both great racing movies.

[Bimota Guy]

And Steve McQueen did his own driving.
McQueen did some of the driving. There was a great article in C&D (or R&T ?) a few years back going over the filming of the Bullitt chase scenes. They showed the camera platform car (a stripped Corvette) used to film the higher speed scenes on the coast roads. When the Charger was crashed it had been attached to the Mustang and a cable release let it go off on its own to crash. The driver/bad guy was a real stunt drvier...hence the "great" acting.

[Bimota Guy]

Grand Prix - All the pedal work footage was shot at Riverside. The director claims drivers re-enacted the proper shifting sequences for sections of famous tracks while driving down the straights.

Also, the director claims he was able to obtain virtually unfettered access to the Ferrari race team after showing some of the early footage he shot to Enzo himself, who was originally skeptical due to all the bad racing movies made prior.

IMO, the racing scenes in Grand Prix are just great, but the movie itself seems more like a soap opera. LeMans is the real deal.

"When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting."
-Steve McQueen as Michael Delaney in LeMans

[Frank S]

And you guys have all seen "Le Mans" right?

Most cars won't survive any sort of real jump.
Wait, yes they can! The General Lee can!So, what's your bid? General Lee is up on eBay, I understand.

Grand Prix gets pretty well analysed from a real racing viewpoint on these threads at AtlasF1 The Nostalgia Forum:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2j9xdn
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3yrc2l

Here are some photos I bought from a Panavision engineer on eBay:
http://www.fototime.com/inv/F604A730014F8B7

The best-ever racing movie I've seen is The Sound Of Speed, made by Bruce Kessler, an original road racer in 1950s Southern California. The substance was Reventlow's Scarabs at Riverside International Raceway. In one section every shot was in sequence, so you get a full lap of the course from driver's view and from accompanying cars.

The movie won prizes when released in theaters, but there must be some rights disputes, since I don't see anywhere to get a copy unless you know someone who has one, and of course copying it without clearance is immoral and illegal.

I have 8mm filmed driver-view laps at Riverside, Willow Springs, the Old Tijuana Airport course, Holtville long course, and Ontario Motor Speedway. Haven't figured out how to get them on U-tube yet, but you can see frames from the films by picking from the menu at the top of this page:
http://fsheff.pages.web.com/

Cheers,

[Frank S]

PS: There is a stereo album of Racing Sounds From Grand Prix, narrated by Phil Hill, and a real marvel. It's out there on vinyl and (bootleg) CD. Catch me at an event (black Mustang convertible) for a sample listen.

Frank S

[nalbar]

of course copying it without clearance is immoral and illegal.



I don't mean to go off track on a good thread but this is absolutely untrue. It is neither immoral nor illegal to make copies of ANYTHING and pass them along. And the supreme court has said so. I can find the apropriate case (Sony vs. somebody) if you like. It's called 'Fair Use' and what it says that only copies FOR PROFIT are illegal. Friends can trade copies of music/movies all they like.

This is propaganda perpetuated by the music, software and movies industries and should NEVER be listened to. They lie like dogs.

Copy all you like, share all you like. There is nothing illegal about it.



nalbar

[froggy47]

I don't mean to go off track on a good thread but this is absolutely untrue. It is neither immoral nor illegal to make copies of ANYTHING and pass them along. And the supreme court has said so. I can find the apropriate case (Sony vs. somebody) if you like. It's called 'Fair Use' and what it says that only copies FOR PROFIT are illegal. Friends can trade copies of music/movies all they like.

This is propaganda perpetuated by the music, software and movies industries and should NEVER be listened to. They lie like dogs.

Copy all you like, share all you like. There is nothing illegal about it.



nalbar

See, you got him started & it's only monday.

BTW, I agree 100%

I once knew a guy who made really good copies of $100. bills, but that's another thread.

:)

[cshodges]

This is propaganda perpetuated by the music, software and movies industries and should NEVER be listened to. They lie like dogs.

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070514&mode=classic

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070515&mode=classic

[Cullen]

I don't mean to go off track on a good thread but this is absolutely untrue. It is neither immoral nor illegal to make copies of ANYTHING and pass them along. And the supreme court has said so. I can find the apropriate case (Sony vs. somebody) if you like. It's called 'Fair Use' and what it says that only copies FOR PROFIT are illegal. Friends can trade copies of music/movies all they like.

This is propaganda perpetuated by the music, software and movies industries and should NEVER be listened to. They lie like dogs.

Copy all you like, share all you like. There is nothing illegal about it.



nalbar

While I understand that it has been made law, and it is 'officially' illegal, I really hate the way there are 7 people on the supreme court that can decide if YOU are being immoral or not. For profit, yes, I can see how that should be illegal, but also redistributing things like high quality photographs to your peers to enjoy is cheating the people who've spent their own money on producing the goods in the first place. Like all the photographers who come out to our events. Getting a sunburn while standing all day is really worthwhile for NOTHING!

Now, to stay on-topic, that SOUND of SPEED movie sounds real good.

[Frank S]

I don't mean to go off track on a good thread but this is absolutely untrue.

[ ... ]

Copy all you like, share all you like. There is nothing illegal about it.

nalbar

I like the idea of copying all I want and sharing all I like; however I think you'll find a current definition of "Fair Use" restricts that.

Fair use is limiting, and a session with an Intellectual Property attorney will reveal what the limits are. IP law is a very volatile area these days, with many courts promulgating decisions on a case-by-case basis and rendering verdicts "for this case only", but the underlying law is still in effect: once a work is in a fixed state (recorded or "made" in some physical mode), it is copyrighted, and may not be copied or otherwise duplicated without specific permission from the copyright holder.

"Absolutely" is a very difficult-to-defend position. It's probably worth your while to do a little research before committing to that kind of shaky limb. In this case, anyone who takes the advice of a "voice" on a bulletin board as "absolute", truth or otherwise, could be heading for a fall.

http://www.copylaw.com/new_articles/copy_myths.html
http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/copyright/doesntsa.html#fairuse

Resp'y,

Frank S

[MX5bob]

While I understand that it has been made law, and it is 'officially' illegal, I really hate the way there are 7 people on the supreme court that can decide if YOU are being immoral or not. For profit, yes, I can see how that should be illegal, but also redistributing things like high quality photographs to your peers to enjoy is cheating the people who've spent their own money on producing the goods in the first place. Like all the photographers who come out to our events. Getting a sunburn while standing all day is really worthwhile for NOTHING!

Now, to stay on-topic, that SOUND of SPEED movie sounds real good.

Supreme Court has 9 members. And fair use is still the law and the Court has left it up to Congress, that's a few more people, to legislate away our right to put Sound of Speed on 8 tracks for the old guys in Mopars. :D

Fair use was never unlimited. Usually amounts to a backup copy, not a dozen to hand out like party favors.

[Cullen]

Damn; I knew it was either 7 or 9. :o

[MX5bob]

Damn; I knew it was either 7 or 9. :o

So, there are even more lawyers in our lives. :p