I'd like to join ;)

[maaksel]

Mazda_gremlyn told mei should join because this is a great club.

I've been to qualcomm a few times but plan on attending more often...

anyway, hi.

[Mazda_Gremlyn]

Aw not this guy...


:D j/k.

[kircos]

Seriously, how does one join and where is your schedule?

[nalbar]

You have a PM.


nalbar

[mikew]

id like to join too. im moving about 30 mins from san diego within a month. i havent autocrossed in a year or two and want to get back into it. what do i need to do? scca membership? scanx membership too?

[woodrufj]

SCCA is the National body that sanctions our event. It is not necessary to have a SCCA membership, but it is required for certian work positions and discounts.

Before you can run in San Diego, you must get a San Diego Solo card. This should be availible at every championship and some practices. Warren (nalbar) will fill you in.

SCNAX is one of the seveal clubs that make up the region. Being any kind of club member allows you to earn points in the season long series. A 'SCNAX' membership consists of asking our membership chair to be a member. This is again Warren (nalbar). There is no fees for our membership. We host about 3 events per year that we ask members to help with.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota


id like to join too. im moving about 30 mins from san diego within a month. i havent autocrossed in a year or two and want to get back into it. what do i need to do? scca membership? scanx membership too?

[nalbar]

my email for those who want to join SCNAX is;


nalbar@cox.net



nalbar

[fqsti]

just emailed you about joining

[nalbar]

cool



nalbar

[itrbruce]

SCCA is the National body that sanctions our event. It is not necessary to have a SCCA membership, but it is required for certian work positions and discounts.
Jay W
505/287 Dakota

This is not true for next year. Although it will be possible to buy 1 day (or 1 weekend?) memberships for SCCA, every participant will need to be an SCCA member in order to drive starting in 2008.

As for the clubs, you can go to http://www.sdr-scca.com/solo2/ click on each club under Solo2 Clubs on the left hand side of the page, although this site still has not updated DCCSD's link which is now http://www.dccsd.com/ .

You should click through the various clubs to see what they have to offer in terms of benefits and requirements which vary from club to club, but I would also recommend waiting until you can actually meet the people in the clubs before joining one.

Bruce

[Bimota Guy]

This is not true for next year. Although it will be possible to buy 1 day (or 1 weekend?) memberships for SCCA, every participant will need to be an SCCA member in order to drive starting in 2008.

1 weekend passes will be available for $15. Thus all participants will be SCCA members and pay $25 to enter Championship events. Through 2007, non-SCCA members paid $35 to enter Championship events.

[ceosurfer]

What will the prices be to run in 2008? Will we still pay only 25 bones?

[nalbar]

It has not really been determined yet.

It's practices that are really up in the air. Their prices are set by the hosting clubs, and each club may deal with the SCCA membership differently.

If you want my opinion, I would say the base champ price (25) won't change right away. But some time later in the year it might go up.

It's all math. If EVERY person is a member of the SCCA, then everyone pays 25, eventually impacting the bottom line, because clubs benefit from the 35 non-SCCA price.

It's ironic that the SCCA's goal of EVERYONE being a member of the SCCA might possibly hurt people who have been members all these years.

Without a doubt those reading this who are NOT members of the SCCA should join IMMEDIATELY. The SCCA is offering a referral discount that makes the cost just 60 dollars. If you intend on autocrossing more than 4 times, PRACTICE OR CHAMP, you should join.

It used to be that not being a member of the SCCA did not affect a persons practice entry fee, so if you were not a member and only ran practices there was no incentive to joining the SCCA. That will no longer be true. Almost certainly some clubs will now have a price differential for practices, to offset the weekend SCCA membership costs.

The impacts of all this (participation numbers, for instance) are unknown. It is quite complicated.


nalbar

[nalbar]

Here is the page at SCCA.com for joining;

http://www.scca.com/joinnow.aspx



and here is where you go if you click 'individual' on the above page;

http://ams.scca.com/netforum/eweb/DynamicPage.aspx?WebCode=MemberFormInd_wizr&Action=Add&asp_key=0372C391-E85E-4503-85F0-6B5393E4E714


if you look at the bottom of that form you will see a referal box. If an existing member of the SCCA refers you, you get a discount of 15 dollars.

I can supply the referal.


Another point;

Those that buy a SCCA weekend pass this coming year are entitled to a 15 dollar discount if they later buy a year membership. You can also find that box on the form.



nalbar

[turbo6]

Does anyone have the direct link to the membership renewal page?

[nalbar]

::SIGH::

Go to the second link that I posted above and read the top of the form. It tells you what to do (it involves logging in)


nalbar

[AndreZ Cadena]

Warren, how would I used you for a referal?

[nalbar]

I can PM you my full name and SCCA #,

Any SCCA member will do, the form has a place you put both.

WTH, I will put it here;

Warren Leach
#329531


nalbar

[AndreZ Cadena]

I can PM you my full name and SCCA #,

Any SCCA member will do, the form has a place you put both.

WTH, I will put it here;

Warren Leach
#329531


nalbar

Thanks

[AndreZ Cadena]

I got the membership, how long is it valid for? What are the priviliges?

[nalbar]

I got the membership, how long is it valid for? What are the priviliges?


1) A full year.

2) You get to run our events.

[cshodges]

3) You qualify for the Gate Worker position. :D

[RickRacer]

Here is the page at SCCA.com for joining;

http://www.scca.com/joinnow.aspx



and here is where you go if you click 'individual' on the above page;

http://ams.scca.com/netforum/eweb/DynamicPage.aspx?WebCode=MemberFormInd_wizr&Action=Add&asp_key=0372C391-E85E-4503-85F0-6B5393E4E714


if you look at the bottom of that form you will see a referal box. If an existing member of the SCCA refers you, you get a discount of 15 dollars.

I can supply the referal.


Another point;

Those that buy a SCCA weekend pass this coming year are entitled to a 15 dollar discount if they later buy a year membership. You can also find that box on the form.



nalbar

So if you get a temp membership and you put in a referal when you get the full membership, do you get both discounts - $30 off?

[nalbar]

I would assume so Rick.

The one is a discount (the refferal), the other would be a credit (you already paid that 15).

And since the form on that page has two boxes, one for each, it follows that you get both IF you have purchased a weekend pass.

Rick, the question for the SCCA that we are trying to get an answer to is this one;

If someone buys a weekend pass up in LA on Sat. can they use the pass in SD on Sun?

I would say yes. For 48 hours you are a member of the SCCA and you get treated as such where ever you are. But we need confirmation from the SCCA on that. I am sure you can see the financial consequences of such a transfer.

nalbar

[woodrufj]

I got it from an official source (I just can't remember who or where), but yes, an SCCA temp membership can be taken anywhere all weekend. And it's '72 hours' (F-Su).

Jay W
505/287 Dakota


If someone buys a weekend pass up in LA on Sat. can they use the pass in SD on Sun?

I would say yes. For 48 hours you are a member of the SCCA and you get treated as such where ever you are.

[RickRacer]

If someone buys a weekend pass up in LA on Sat. can they use the pass in SD on Sun?

I would say yes. For 48 hours you are a member of the SCCA and you get treated as such where ever you are. But we need confirmation from the SCCA on that. I am sure you can see the financial consequences of such a transfer.

nalbar


Not really any financial impact. It's just someone showing up with an SCCA membership as far as registration is concerned. No different than any out of region SCCA member coming in.

[nalbar]

Yes, there is a financial impact.

If EVERYONE is a member of the SCCA then both the clubs and the region get hit, because both depend on the non-discount people. If there are NO non-discount people not as much money is made.

The scenario being worked out in SD region gives the club some of the 15 weekend pass money, making up for the above 'loss'. If the 15 (or whatever amount LA decides) is given in LA, and that person then drives in SD on Sunday, the SD club looses that money, taking a 10 dollar hit they would have received in 2007.

There is a financial hit in every single scenario I can think of with this new policy. Some of the comments in the original SCCA thread you linked to are extremely naive, which makes me think they were posted by SCCA shills. There is no doubt regions will get hit, some harder than others.

The easiest way to look at it is this; If the SCCA got its wish and EVERYONE joined the SCCA today (full year membership), how would that affect finances for events? LA's non-SCCA price is (I believe) 40 dollars, 25 for SCCA members. How many of LA's participants in any particular champ event are non-SCCA? Let's say 50 for the sake of discussion. 50X15=750. Assuming a club puts on 3 events a year, that club just took a 2250 dollar hit.

Now change the above scenario a little. Assume those 50 bought weekend passes the day before in SD, THEN drove in LA. Same hit.

Of course it would not be all 50, maybe as low as 10 a YEAR, spread out over all clubs. It is still an impact.

I certainly hope LA has someone thinking about this.

One more thing; EVERYTHING at this point is conjecture. We have not actually received the forms that the SCCA says MUST be filled out. We don't know what they will say, and it will certainly (IMO) be at least a little different than what we have been told by 'reliable sources'.

And one more thing, The cost of a weekend pass is 15 but the SCCA only wants 5. IMO anybody who thinks the SCCA won't eventually come after the whole 15 is a fool. Some day they will want the whole thing, that is why they 'picked' 15.


nalbar

[RickRacer]

Yes, there is a financial impact.

The scenario being worked out in SD region gives the club some of the 15 weekend pass money, making up for the above 'loss'. If the 15 (or whatever amount LA decides) is given in LA, and that person then drives in SD on Sunday, the SD club looses that money, taking a 10 dollar hit they would have received in 2007.

The easiest way to look at it is this; If the SCCA got its wish and EVERYONE joined the SCCA today (full year membership), how would that affect finances for events? LA's non-SCCA price is (I believe) 40 dollars, 25 for SCCA members. How many of LA's participants in any particular champ event are non-SCCA? Let's say 50 for the sake of discussion. 50X15=750. Assuming a club puts on 3 events a year, that club just took a 2250 dollar hit.

Now change the above scenario a little. Assume those 50 bought weekend passes the day before in SD, THEN drove in LA. Same hit.

Of course it would not be all 50, maybe as low as 10 a YEAR, spread out over all clubs. It is still an impact.

I certainly hope LA has someone thinking about this.

nalbar

I wa refering to the finanacial impact on each other and I would say it's negligble and what few may play Saturday in one region and Sunday in another might even cancel each other out.

LA's non-members for the last year averaged 30 per event with a high of 41 in January and a low of 19 in November. LA's plan at this point is still $40 for non-members, but now with $5 going to SCCA. So that's an average of $150 per event we would lose, close to $2k for the year. I have no statistics on how many of those people joined SCCA and/or became regulars at events. But it only takes 6 new, full SCCA member, regular competitors to make up for the $150 loss. We could gain a few of those if LA and SD schedules don't conflict as much this coming year as they did in 2007 with those of us that run both regions when we can.

Obvisously both regions need higher turnouts at events, which should be our focus, not how to get more out of who we already have. We used to be able to handle 300+, now LA barely makes 200 which is about our break even point for a Championship.

[nalbar]

So LA is not at this point planning on a price increase? I think that is a wise decision.

That means (as far as I can tell) that your non-SCCA participants will not face increased pressure to join the SCCA. However, they will still have that 15 dollar credit from one weekend pass, and that alone will cause some to join. Add the referral and it becomes financially advantagous to join.

Our numbers of non-SCCA participants seem slightly higher than yours, but not enough to matter.




Obvisously both regions need higher turnouts at events, which should be our focus, not how to get more out of who we already have.


It's not so obvious to everyone in SD.


I agree about the importance of higher participants. It makes all worries go away. Certainly the matter of people joinning the SCCA would not matter as much with over 200 entries.

While it may be true (and even likely) that any financial impact will be minimal, all contingences HAVE to be looked at and debated with the Board, even seemingly minor ones. Nothing should be dismissed as unlikely. That way there will be no surprises.

nalbar