Time to start teaming up (SCNAX Cup 5!)

[woodrufj]

(Note this is a CalClub {LA region} solo2 event.)

That's right, its that time of year again. SCNAX Cup 5 is right around the corner scheduled for Oct 21st and 22nd at California Speedway.

For those that don't know, the SCNAX Cup is officially a 2day practice that we underlay with a unique team competition. Teams of four drivers with 4 different cars compete over the 2 days. Each driver takes 6 runs in each car, and the fastest 3 of runs each driver/car combo are scored. To add to the competitiveness of the event we include a 'driver's handicap index', which works like a golf handicap base on each driver's performance at the last three solo events. So everyone starts on even ground.

A flyer and entry information should be up in a week or two to the solo2.com site. Priority registration will be given to SCNAX Cup participants, with the remainder spots going to regular practice spots.

SCNAX Cup rules listings and discussions typically take place on the SCNAX forum at
http://www.scnax.com/forums

Its time to start talking with your buddies and setting up your teams. Don't forget the creative names!

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[frosty]

What happens if your team has people who don't have 3 Championships under their belt?

[cshodges]

What happens if you want to bring a car that hasn't been run in a Championship?

[woodrufj]

What happens if your team has people who don't have 3 Championships under their belt?
You don't have a team.


What happens if you want to bring a car that hasn't been run in a ChampionshipIts the drivers that matter, not the cars.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[frosty]

You don't have a team.


... :confused:

[Cullen]

What happens if you want to bring a car that hasn't been run in a Championship?

or have only run in the novice class? On the solo2 forums, you guys were debating about having 5 instead if 3 champ events under your belt. So will the SD event on the 7th be counted?

Frosty, do you need a team? I know a guy in LA with an S2000 that I co-drive with and that would make three out of four guys.....and my civic is the fastest in the west.....:rolleyes:

[mievil]

.....and my civic is the fastest in the west.....

Maybe the most body roll in the west. :p (says the guy with the slowest car in the west:( )


This would be pretty awesome if I knew how to drive........anything.

[frosty]

Maybe the most body roll in the west. :p

No, that's me. :D

Sure, I'd be up for teaming up with you. We need to meet at an event some time.

[woodrufj]

Doesn't matter, any class counts since your handicap is based on you and your car vs top paxer and his/her car.

Oct 7th (and Oct 15th in LA) will only count if a driver needs a third event. Its too hard to count events so close to the cup, so we only do it for those special cases.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota
or have only run in the novice class? ...will the SD event on the 7th be counted?

[jason]

Oct 7th (and Oct 15th in LA) will only count if a driver needs a third event.

Ok, so I don't need to sandbag on the 7th?

[woodrufj]

Speaking of which. I need to poll my '05 team. Scott, Warren, Nik, hit me offline. What's your plan? I'm bringing the truck only on old Escta 700s (no neon, no MR2, no 710s).

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[woodrufj]

Yeah, that's another reason we don't normally take events so close to the Cup ;-)
Ok, so I don't need to sandbag on the 7th?

[Cullen]

[QUOTE=mievil]Maybe the most body roll in the west. :p

LOL I try my best:D

That sounds good Frosty, if thats your real name....:cool:
Although I have never driven an AWD car before, people say it's kind of like driving a FWD car, and to just drive flat out, which i do anyway; but yours looks like a nice ride.
Have you ever driven an exotic like my civic before? I'll be at the 7th event, and I'll try and think of a few team names. Got a person in mind for anyone with the existing car platforms needed? I just hope my car withstands 18 runs:D

[woodrufj]

I just hope my car withstands 18 runs:DHope a little higher. 6runsx4people=24.

A honda should have no problems. My american truck was on TWO teams and did the usual heavy cone duty before and after.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[Cullen]

Oh, I thought that you just drive your teammates cars, and not your own. Ok got it.
And do I have to have a Cal Club points card to participate? I will try by then though. Questions, Questions....:o
It doesn't seem like there would be enough MR cars out there to have one for every team. Although theres the Lotuses......:rolleyes:

[woodrufj]

And do I have to have a Cal Club points card to participate? No

It doesn't seem like there would be enough MR cars out there to have one for every team.Don't need one. We define three types of drives, FWD, AWD and RWD. You only need two types on a team.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[Cullen]

No

Don't need one. We define three types of drives, FWD, AWD and RWD. You only need two types on a team.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

:eek:.... Damn, I didn't know I was THAT uninformed about the rules.

[Sean G]

Although theres the Lotuses......:rolleyes:


:confused:

[frosty]

LOL I try my best:D

That sounds good Frosty, if thats your real name....:cool:
Although I have never driven an AWD car before, people say it's kind of like driving a FWD car, and to just drive flat out, which i do anyway; but yours looks like a nice ride.
Have you ever driven an exotic like my civic before? I'll be at the 7th event, and I'll try and think of a few team names. Got a person in mind for anyone with the existing car platforms needed? I just hope my car withstands 18 runs:D

I've driven some ... interesting hondas in my few years. Not quite like this, but I think I can manage something. :D We can discuss how you'd like my tire pressures setup on the AWD. There's "floor it and it won't spin out on you", but it understeers, and there's "if you get more boost than you are expecting, hold on to something cause the trunk is coming around."

[cshodges]

I thought F125 counted as a 4th drivetrain type for the Cup?

[Cullen]

:confused:

I was just wondering how each team could find a mid-engined car, and then I remembered that there are a few Elises running. And then i remembered that there are a few MR2s out there as well. But it doesn't matter now I know the rules. Unless, you want to drive a civic with such formula one derived technology as 16V per cylinder (cossie DFV I believe :) ), and (insert :D comment here)....

[woodrufj]

I thought F125 counted as a 4th drivetrain type for the Cup?It does, but I'm trying to keep the discriptions simple.

[cshodges]

You can have 3 identical cars and one "outcast". The point is to have the drivers have to deal with something significantly different from their own vehicle. It's fun. :) MR and FR cars both count as RWD for the Cup.

Or you can have 4 cars with completely different persontalities. Less chance of winning, greater chance of fun. Last year's team that Jayson refers to had his Dakota, my G35, Nik's MR2, and Warren's Matrix. Three RWD and an FWD.

The mid-engine cars are fun, but very very different. I spun the MR2 5 times in 4 runs because it's instinct for me to lift. :eek: When looking for an MR car, don't forget ye olde Fiero.

[woodrufj]

Cool, I think our team is firmed up. Warren, Scott H, Andy O and myself.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

Speaking of which. I need to poll my '05 team...

[jason]

Hmm, scnax cup team, hmmm...

[SD MR2]

Cool, I think our team is firmed up. Warren, Scott H, Andy O and myself.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

I'm looking forward to running with you guys and thanx again for having me!

-Andy

[nalbar]

Jayson, where are the entry forms posted for the Cup?



nalbar

[woodrufj]

Not yet. I'm not chairing this one, too much going on for me in October. Art is the contact. They should be up any day, he might have been waiting for the Nationals people to come home.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota
Jayson, where are the entry forms posted for the Cup?



nalbar

[JamesWilson]

AWD H-Stock car up for grabs....

-JW
'98 Subaru Impreza L AWD

[woodrufj]

Again, note this is an LA event (Cal Speedway in Fontana).

Since the chair is way behind on the time table, entries are being taken via e-mail and paid on site. If you plan on bringing a team, e-mail me
woodrufj@yahoo.com

I believe there are a number of regular practice spots open on each Saturday and Sunday. To reserve a practice only spot e-mail Art Rinner
art@sunrisez.net

Okay, I think I've caught up. As of right now we're looking at 8 teams, not all of them are completed yet, but they need to be right away. I've got as much data filled in as I can, but still need a lot from all you drivers.

If there's no number next to your name, I need one. Use your LA number if you have one, otherwise use a San Diego number or we'll make one up.

Spin
Art Rinner 83
Darryl Craig 98
Craig Naylor 80
Need to know 4th, need all qualifying (date, class, time) and car/class you'll be running in the cup.


Lugnuts
Johathan Hartendorp
Jeremin Choechoralit
Larry Chen
Need to know 4th, and car/class you'll be running in the cup.


Team Blows
Max Hayter 31
Mako Koiwai 818
Mark Coleman 812
Henry Bjorn 224
Need qualifying (date, class, time) info for Mako, and car/class you all will be running in the cup.

Slide
Jason Woodruff 505
Andy Ordonez
Warren Leach 275
Scott Hodges 220

Hoosier Daddy
Chris Cullen
Ron Tsumura 500
Sean Goodbody
Jason Munchhof
Need qualifying (date, class, time) info for Sean, and car/class you all will be running in the cup.

Vixen Racing
Renee Angel 77
Stacy Miller 115
Need to know 3rd and 4th, need all qualifying (date, class, time) and car/class you'll be running in the cup.

Scooters & Skates
Ken Lord 951
Stephen Yeoh 887
Guy Walker 123
Dan Shaw 427
Need to know car/class you'll be running in the cup.


Vixenkiller Racing
Steve Ekstrand 15
George Schilling
John Prosser
Need to know 3rd and 4th, need all qualifying (date, class, time) and car/class you'll be running in the cup.

E-mail me at woodrufj@yahoo.com

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[woodrufj]

Futhermore, I know there's a couple people still looking for teams.

One is Ed Taylor, a San Diego driver who runs an IS3 (inbetween DS and DSP) '86 Celica (RWD). Note that Ed would qualify for BBART (ask Ekstrand, Curt or Glenn). Ed's not a message board guy, but I have his e-mail and phone number if someone wants to get ahold of him.

A second is Ryan ODonohue. I don't know much about Ryan, but saw he is registered (and I assume contactable) on the LA board. He is fairly new and drives an S2000.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[frosty]

Good luck Hoosier Daddy! :D

[Cullen]

Good luck Hoosier Daddy! :D

Thanks Clifford!

We're gonna represent SD, booya~!

[woodrufj]

Okay, I've incoperated a bunch of updates. Team Spin is the only real slackers.

I also need to know if anyone qualifies for the extra ST index. This index will apply if you ran on R-comps for your qualifing events and want to go to ST tires for the cup.

The data file is posted here (excel file).
http://jaycomservices.com/Event_Management/scnax_cup/scnaxcup2006.xls

The "N/A"s pop up because of missing data. The "Driver PAX" and "Template" sheets are the only thing of concern.

If you see an error, let me know ASAP. woodrufj@yahoo.com

We're still looking to fill out some teams. Vixen is looking for two, preferably ladies at least one non-FWD. LugNuts is looking for one, non-RWD.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[jason]

Damn, my driver PAX blows... at least our team has the lowest overall. Looks like we got a good chance! ;)

I have a question about the ST index. Is it per driver or per car? It seems like we should be able to do it per car, since everyone on the team has to drive it. If it's per car, I don't see why it matters what we ran on for qualifying events.

For example, Chris will run his HS car on street tires. Seems like we should all get an ST index for our times in his car...

Thanks for all the work you put into this Jay!

[woodrufj]

Its per car.

Its not an exact science how the indexes get applied per run, but it should all wash out in the over all scores. In Chris' case, his person hanidcap index effectivally has an ST index already added in because his PHI is weaker as a result of qualifying on ST tires in a R-comp class. That means any of you guys driving his car are going to be biased slow, but he'll be biased high driving other well preped cars. In the over all team score it washed out.

Same thing happens when a good driver owns a bad car. Few years back I kicked ass in the individual category because my PHI was based on driving the truck in ESP, but I got to drive three other well preped cars.

Jason, I'm impressed by your understanding of the rules, especially for your first Cup. Many guys have been doing this 3 or 4 years and still don't get the simple stuff.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

Damn, my driver PAX blows... at least our team has the lowest overall. Looks like we got a good chance! ;)

I have a question about the ST index. Is it per driver or per car? It seems like we should be able to do it per car, since everyone on the team has to drive it. If it's per car, I don't see why it matters what we ran on for qualifying events.

For example, Chris will run his HS car on street tires. Seems like we should all get an ST index for our times in his car...

Thanks for all the work you put into this Jay!

[jason]

It's not THAT hard to understand, some people are just lazy. :p

Ok, what about this... can't we just enter Chris's car in SK2/HS and Sean's car in SK1/SS (I think he'll be on streets) for the cup to take care of the ST business?

[Sean G]

Ok, what about this... can't we just enter Chris's car in SK2/HS and Sean's car in SK1/SS (I think he'll be on streets) for the cup to take care of the ST business?

My car will be on yokohamas that aren't quite street tires, but aren't quite an autocross R compound (A048). Treadwear is 60 and they're a fair bit stickier than the AD07's. I suppose we could play on the hoosiers if someone can transport them...

[jason]

I suppose we could play on the hoosiers if someone can transport them...

That would be my vote if you can afford it. :D

[Cullen]

I suppose we could play on the hoosiers if someone can transport them...

That sounds like a good idea, a very good idea...;) Too bad I don't own a truck. Although the Yokos you mention sound a lot stickier than what I imagined you'd bring. I'm sure it'll be stupid fun though anyway, as I don't have any experience with R-compounds. :eek: :D

[Sean G]

That sounds like a good idea, a very good idea...;) Too bad I don't own a truck.

They might fit in the back seat and trunk of a civic...;)

[woodrufj]

Results file. I think everyone had a pretty good time.

http://jaycomservices.com/Event_Management/scnax_cup/scnaxcup2006.xls

"Standings" sheet has the typical results, "Team Tallies" has a lot of the gritty details. Times include cone penelties.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[SD MR2]

Hi Jay,

I had a blast at the Cup, though it was a major bummer that you ended up not running (and essentially just working all weekend). So thanx again for getting me on the team with Warren and Scott, and I look forward to the '07 Cup.

Regards,
Andy

[nalbar]

Good job over the weekend Jayson!


Now post the results in a format I can actually READ!! :mad:


There was something else....but I forget....hmmmmm, something about a tenth of a second....hmmmm,


oh well.


nalbar

[woodrufj]

Now post the results in a format I can actually READ!! :mad:
Monosyllabonic?

Try this:
Standings (http://jaycomservices.com/Event_Management/scnax_cup/scnaxcup2006_1.html)
Summary (http://jaycomservices.com/Event_Management/scnax_cup/scnaxcup2006_2.html)
Team Tallies (http://jaycomservices.com/Event_Management/scnax_cup/scnaxcup2006_3.html)

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[jason]

Monosyllabonic?

Try this:
http://jaycomservices.com/Event_Management/scnax_cup/scnaxcup2006.html

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

Jay, you need to upload the files in the "scnaxcup2006_files" folder for that to work. It's looking for scnaxcup2006_files/sheet0001.html, etc.

Another option for people without Excel is to download the free "Excel Viewer" app from Microsoft. I did that on my laptop.

[woodrufj]

Change the links above. Try it again.

Changed to convert individual sheets to html rather than the whole workbook.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[nalbar]

GDI!!

Andy beat me in my own car! Top time AND average!



Thanks for the extra work Jayson. Now take a rest, you earned it.

nalbar

[SD MR2]

GDI!!

Andy beat me in my own car! Top time AND average!

nalbar

Maybe so, but you came uncomfortably close to beating me in my car! Your "motivational" comments after my first couple of runs were quite effective :cool: Great job driving the MR2, and thanx again for letting me throw around your new STS toy!

-Andy

[jason]

I thought the competition between teammates was the most fun. We had some close battles in all of the cars, and Chris nearly got me in my own car. I learned that driving my car on 710s was a piece of cake compared to the Elise and S2k on street tires. :)

As far as the cup competition, it would be nearly impossible to beat the Team Lugnuts .862 handicap. They won easily even though they had the worst PAX time.

[cshodges]

Another option for people without Excel is to download the free "Excel Viewer" app from Microsoft.

That's only an option for people running Windows. I don't believe Warren is in that category.


Everybody beat me in my car! :mad: :p

[frosty]

That's only an option for people running Windows. I don't believe Warren is in that category.


Everybody beat me in my car! :mad: :p

I use OpenOffice, which is Java and I believe platform independent (not always the case with Java applications). It opens and saves any MS format, and has built-in export to pdf support.

[Sean G]

I thought the competition between teammates was the most fun. ..

The entire event was well done. Thanks Jayson, Art... The competition within the team was definitely a motivating factor. Considering these were the first autox runs I've ever taken in a "big" car (read: not an elise), I feel I did well. It took discipline (that I didn't have this weekend) to get 3 decent, clean runs in with each car. I think at least one of my top times in each car were carrying cones.

[Cullen]

I was a little skeptical beforehand hearing about the cup being the most fun to be had all year, but afterwards, I understand why. And that understanding was courteousy of the rivalry between team members; you know who you are :p . The 'punk' and Jason exchanged some friendly fire on and off the course :D

I believe that Jason drove the best by bettering on average a second in the S2K and RX8, and even slightly beating Sean too. I discovered how much of a pain in the as3 my car is to drive, and I also think that our team must have driven better than the first place team as our finishing index was no where near proportional to the index difference we suffered. Team Lugnuts, if you're reading this, I don't know for sure what i'm talking about....:confused:
Although some indexes were kind of BS.

It was surprisingly difficult to get three clean, fast (i.e. not 'safe' fast runs to be clean) runs, as the knowledge of having six runs to do it in, really made me kind of lazy

In the end though, nice going by all.

I want to see 15 teams next year!

[frosty]

I discovered how much of a pain in the as3 my car is to drive

It is a bit of a bugger. :p

[jason]

The 'punk' and Jason exchanged some friendly fire on and off the course :D


Maybe we should focus more on beating the other guys next time, huh? I was seriously impressed with your driving given the amount of experience you have. The trash talk was a sign of respect. :cool: I also regularly compete with one of the biggest trash talkers around, so I'm used to it.

I thought we had a pretty cool mix of cars on our team. Just need to add in a Corvette and maybe an AWD car would be fun.

[Cullen]

I agree with everything.

Corvette, Sti/Evo, RX8, and Civic :D

[jason]

Hmm, I was thinking more like Vette, Evo, RX8, Elise. Now you just need to buy an Evo and we'll be set. :)

[frosty]

Hmm, I was thinking more like Vette, Evo, RX8, Elise. Now you just need to buy an Evo and we'll be set. :)

Hehe... too bad the stupid WRX jumped ship because of a silly vacation. Then you guys would have had your AWD. :rolleyes:

[Mazda_Gremlyn]

How about a 4WD car for next year? :D

[nalbar]

In order to add, you have to subtract.



nalbar

[cshodges]

There's no such thing as subtraction, only addition of negatives. :D

[Mazda_Gremlyn]

Are you saying I'm negative...? :confused:

[cshodges]

Are you saying I'm negative...? :confused:
Only if you're being added off the team. :p