Annual Number Card Renewal

[RandyC]

Note the change in how we do this.

NOTE! A change for San Diego Region Annual Card renewals. Renewals are now being accepted and need to be completed before December 31st.

[Steve W]

Hi Randy,
I was thinking of attending some of the San Diego events this coming year, What do I fill out if I'm joining for the first time as opposed to renewing?

Steve

[nalbar]

go to any event and buy a card.


nalbar

[nino]

So as of Jan. 1st of next year, non-renewed numbers should be up for grabs right? I wonder if I can find a 2 digit number for next year. :D

[frosty]

So as of Jan. 1st of next year, non-renewed numbers should be up for grabs right? I wonder if I can find a 2 digit number for next year. :D

Trying to save on magnentic numbers?

[nalbar]

So as of Jan. 1st of next year, non-renewed numbers should be up for grabs right? I wonder if I can find a 2 digit number for next year. :D

no doubt nino. dont forget, lingo moved to japan, so his is right there. i bet 25 two digit numbers are available jan 1.


nalbar

[DScamp]

em I gonna be able to renew the card at this next event?

[Steve W]

go to any event and buy a card.


nalbar

does that include practices?

[nalbar]

lately, yes it includes practices. but i was mostly refering to champ events. any champ event, before noon you will get a card.



nalbar

[Steve W]

Thanks.

I'll hopefully see you in January. If I know when the event is.

Steve

[SoJim]

I've been out of touch/town for a few months, so when I was sorting through my stack of snail mail I didn't see anything about number renewal. I tried to sign on to sd solo forums and had trouble doing that since my former id and password didn't work.

I was able to scan the topics and see that there is a form available and it must be submitted by Dec 31st.

My concern is that had I not returned town and began looking for how to renew my number I could have lost it due to my ignorance of the current procedures.

Obviously, I'm fairly protective and possessive of my number 2 and feel that some sort of notification (email or snail mail) should be sent to each card holder.

[woodrufj]

Obviously, I'm fairly protective and possessive of my number 2 and feel that some sort of notification (email or snail mail) should be sent to each card holder.
It was mailed, posted on the old site that broke, posted on the new site we're on and put up on the LA board. Was an SDR offical suppost to make a house call?

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[mcontour]

As Jason said, we have hit every avenue we have to get a hold of all region members, including asking all the club reps to notify their membership again.

I guess that is someone doesn't use a computer AND has changed their snail-mail address in the past year AND is not a member of a club, they most likely will not get the word about the Solo-II card renewal deadline.

Jim, I see from your signature that you are member of the DCCSD club. You should have been notified of the deadline.

Just to be sure, the renewal form is on the Solo side of the "official" site...sdr-scca.com

Thanks.

Michael

[SoJim]

My check is in the mail. Just for the record I use my computer everyday for business and have had the same email address for 10 years and have received flyers for events at my home address for 2 years.

I was one of the original subscribers to Randy's first forum under the name Racy Sr and didn't know that it had changed as I have been out of town/touch for several months.

It is my suggestion that if email addresses are available then important annoucements like events, number renewals, banquet notifications could be done by an email directing people to check the official site.

[mcontour]

Jim,

I'll be on the lookout for your renewal. Thanks.

We did send out a snail-mail flyer to the entire membership. Since you didn't move, I'm not sure why you didn't get it. On a side note, I'm quite surprised by the number of flyers that came back to us for various postal reasons. Guess we need to have a place for folks to submit address changes.

Jim Hamm used to send out an email notice for renewal as well. Maybe we can look into that for the coming year.

Thanks again.

Michael

[RCSw/aTVR]

Yep, that's me! I've had several people tell me its quite sad to me this way, I used to GO to events, KNOW when and where they were...sad really sad...

However, ALL my TVRs are on my property now and I may get one out soon.. I have voluteered to be safety for the Tour.

Anyhoo- Michael, have sent you an email asking about number info..
Please answer when you can.

Bill Sanford

[Mazda_Gremlyn]

Hmmm, so I seemed to have forgotten to mail the envelope I have sitting on my desk as I went out of town for two weeks and left it here... if I promise to mail this tomorrow would I still be able to renew my number?

[Mazda_Gremlyn]

Oh and if I need to send along the extra $10 to make it to $20, please let me know, the current envelope is sealed and in the mail box already now... didn't think about it ahead of time!

[mcontour]

I guess this is the point where I get to sound like a hard-a$$ jerk.....

The deadline for Solo-II number renewal was December 31st. I am waiting to check today's mail to see if there are any more letters postmarked on or before the 31st. After that, all numbers not renewed are available for purchase for full price. In addition, if you did renew your old number and want to change to another available number, I will honor that request. Please send requests by PM, not in the open forum. I already have a long list of number change requests that folks have submitted to me. Tonight I will do the bug number swap in the database if the requested number(s) have not been renewed.

If you missed the deadline for renewal and want your old number, you can re-buy it if it is still available. If it is taken by someone else, you will have to select a new number. I'm sorry about any inconvenience this may cause.

[Monster8V]

This sucks!
I didnt see this until today. Was just thinking it was odd that I hadnt gotten the renewal in the mail yet. Figured id do it before the first event. I had just gotten my number with NASA so I could run both without the hassle of number changes.

WHY did they change the policy? I recall a time way back when, where things were simple. Ahh the days!
So what is the proccess to getting a number now? Fill out a form, mail it out and hope the postal system can deliver and hope the number is still available?? Do we have a "previous champions" reservation clause?? LOL!!

[Mazda_Gremlyn]

There isn't even a few days leeway since this is a brand new thing for the region? :(

[mcontour]

A few of the un-renewed numbers were claimed by active members. I didn't even recognize the names of the former owners. Since I don't know who you are based on your forum name....

Shoot me a PM with your real name and 2005 number, and I'll let you know the status of your number. If it's available, you can buy it now. If you had a "desirable" number, the odds of keeping it are much better if you do that ASAP. You do not have to wait for the 1st event.

Thanks.

Michael

[frosty]

A few of the un-renewed numbers were claimed by active members.

Kind of sounds like what happens when you don't renew your domain: some domain brigand registers it and holds it for ransom.:eek:

[mcontour]

Some of the reasoning for advancing the deadline for renewals:

1) Solo-II card renewals at the first 2 events has always caused confusion and holds up registration. Getting the renewals taken care of in advance will take care of this.

2) The old deadline of "by the end of the 2nd championship event" meant that anyone wanting to change numbers would have to do so mid-season. This causes a big problem for the person maintaining year end points. Allowing competitors to run their new number starting at the 1st event will take care of this.

3) Most competitors that run in multiple regions want to get the same numbers in both and get their magnetics taken care of before the 1st event. Fixing the numbers before the 1st event will take care of this.

It was expected that the change in deadline would catch a few folks off guard. In anticipation of this, we made a valiant effort to contact every region member.

We ran posts on this forum beginning in early November.
We ran a post on the official San Diego SCCA web site.
We ran posts on the Cal Club forum beginning in early November.
We sent snail mail to every region member.
We sent email to all the region clubs asking them to remind their members about the deadline.We did everything but send individual emails to the region memembers, which we will do next time, for those folks that actually include a valid email address on their Solo-II card stub. This can be an issue since many folks renew their numbers but never run a single event. That means that they do not pick up their Solo-II cards, and hence do not provide their mailing address or email address. We have no way to contact these folks at next year's renewal time.

For next year, I will request the desired information on the renewal form itself, and send the Solo-II card out via a self-addressed stamped envelope if provided.

Michael

[jason]

I renewed my number a couple events ago. All I got was a receipt... will the actual cards be available at the Jan event?

[mcontour]

Cards will be at the next (1st) event.....actually at the practice the day before. Pick them up there.

Thanks.

Michael

[frosty]

They had them at the Novice School as well, but you experienced drivers wouldn't know that.

[frosty]

I think this is the place to ask this.

It was mentioned on another thread that a driver needs to already have a card for 2006 to go to the practice on the 28th. Do I just register my friend the same way I pre-registered for 2006?

[jason]

Cards will be at the practice, so I assume that means you can buy one there too.

[frosty]

Cards will be at the practice, so I assume that means you can buy one there too.

Ok, thanks.

[mcontour]

Card will be available at the practice.

It is up to the host club (SCAT in this case) whether or not they want folks without cards to (pre)register for the practice. We'll have to wait and see what the flyer says.

Michael

[Bimota Guy]

Card will be available at the practice.

It is up to the host club (SCAT in this case) whether or not they want folks without cards to (pre)register for the practice. We'll have to wait and see what the flyer says.

Michael
Sorry, but no card, no pre-register.

-SCAT flyer guy

[JamesWilson]

So we can't preregister unless we have our cards, which won't be available until the practice anyway.....so just SCAT members who are running the event or those who renewed their cards before the last '05 event are the only ones who can preregister?

I hope there will be some spots open, I plan on showing up at 6:00am then to pick up my paid card!!

[mcontour]

James, that is not what Steve meant.

If you renewed your card for 2006 but have not yet picked it up (most of the folks), you are good. You can pre-register for the practice and pick up your card there.

If you did not renew your card for 2006, you do not have a 2006 card. You cannot pre-register for the practice.

Michael

[frosty]

Well, I'd like to be able to preregister my Father. It'll be his birthday, so having it not work out because of a minor thing like not having the card isn't going to be so cool.

So Mike, can I send the registration in to you for him?

Edit:
Where do I send it? The link to the pdf at the start of this thread is gone.

[mcontour]

Mr Frosty. (Sorry, I'm not sure who you are),

I'm sorry, but we will not be selling Solo-II cards between events/practices.

Michael

[frosty]

Crud.

BTW, I'm Cliff.

[toolman]

The deadline for Solo-II number renewal was December 31st.

Hmm... let's see. They change the rules, fail to notify most of the people either by email or regular mail, or by making an announcement at the last few events and make the deadline during the holidays when a lot of people are on travel.

So now we have to pay double for a new card, might not get the same number, can't buy a card until the next event, which by the way you can't preregister for.

What was wrong with the old system of renewing at the first event?

[woodrufj]

Remember "They" are "you". Tell your club rep what you think too, he's the one that voted on it.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[frosty]

Remember "They" are "you". Tell your club rep what you think too, he's the one that voted on it.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

Out of curiosity, who is my (SCNAX's) club rep?

[RandyC]

Out of curiosity, who is my (SCNAX's) club rep?

:wave:

I vote for SCNAX at the e-board meetings.

[woodrufj]

I vote for SCNAX at the e-board meetings.Unfortunately everyone else votes against SCNAX at the e-board meetings.:cool:

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[cshodges]

If you received the flyer for the December practice, you also received the renewal notice form. It was easy to gloss over and miss.

Personally, I think as big a change as this card registration was, it should have been a separate mailing, and there should have been a grace period this first year of the change with such a short notice.

[mcontour]

Hmm... let's see. They change the rules, fail to notify most of the people either by email or regular mail, or by making an announcement at the last few events and make the deadline during the holidays when a lot of people are on travel.

So now we have to pay double for a new card, might not get the same number, can't buy a card until the next event, which by the way you can't preregister for.

What was wrong with the old system of renewing at the first event?

I wish this forum made folks post with their real names so that we know who we were conversing with....

I explained the answer to many of your questions in an earlier post in this thread, so I won't repeat here.

Let me say, though, that 340 members of our region somehow received the word and renewed their Solo-II cards on or before December 31st. This is pretty darn good considering the lack of communication that "they" have. (Sorry about the scarcasm here....having a bad day).

The club reps and board members really do try to make things better around here. Like Jay said...if you are displeased with something here in the region, your avenue for change is through your club.

Feel free to come on by the monthly eboard meeting and participate...1st Monday of the month, C2 Motorsports, 7:00 PM.

Michael Contour

[Mazda_Gremlyn]

The only reason I knew was because of this forum, I never saw anything in the mail, in fact I don't even remember getting the flyer for the December practice.

[nalbar]

Feel free to come on by the monthly eboard meeting and participate...1st Monday of the month, C2 Motorsports, 7:00 PM.

Michael Contour

Warning!

This is a trap! Michael (or someone else) will put you to work if you do this!


The new system is FAR better IMO. Yes, some got left out (of course 'some' got left out the other way), but any simplification of card sales is a good thing.

This was a good job by Michael and the region.

It is the easiest thing in the world to overlook the work that people put in simply because it is 'out of sight'. It is also easy to assume things are done without thought or consideration for consequences. Instead of worrying about a silly number, perhaps remember all the work behind the scenes that allows the region to function. Work that goes on ALL year btw.



nalbar

[toolman]

The club reps and board members really do try to make things better around here. Like Jay said...if you are displeased with something here in the region, your avenue for change is through your club.


I'm not in a club; nor can I be. I travel a lot for work and can rarely commit to events in advance.

It just feels like getting a letter charging you a late fee when you never got the bill and the company tells you it's your fault.

[Bimota Guy]

I'm not in a club; nor can I be. I travel a lot for work and can rarely commit to events in advance.

It just feels like getting a letter charging you a late fee when you never got the bill and the company tells you it's your fault. I am sorry you were unable to renew on time. But your analogy is way off the mark. First of all, we are not a company, but a group of volunteers running a non-profit entity for the benefit of its members as a whole. The whole, through its volunteer representatives, changed the rules and made a big effort to get the word out.

We sent a flyer noting the change in renewal regulations to all 2005 Solo II cardholders. Although it was in the the same mailing as the novice school, it was a separate piece of paper from the school entry. The outside of the mailing read:


2006 San Diego Region SCCA
Solo II Card Renewal
&
2005 Novice School Entry Form

And the flyer was available online at the official site (www.sdr-scca.com (http://www.srd-scca.com)) and posts about the change were made in these forums.

Let me finally state, while we need all participants to help keep the cost per person down to a reasonable level, it is the club members that make it all possible. They work the long hours to run their events. I hope if your work situation changes you will consider joining a club and help the organization further.

Regards,
-Steve
2006 Solo II Chairman

corrected typo, randy

[Mazda_Gremlyn]

I understand why the changes were made and why they are helpful, but at the same time as this is newly implemented and tere seem to be a good number just on here that are left without renewed numbers (wait till the first event, I'm sure we're going to here it there) why not have a garce period. Its very common for new policies to have a grace period, kind of like when our government introduces a new law, at first its a warning, then you get stuck with the fine. Would it really be that much of a hassel to renew numbers at the next event vs having everyone that wants their number crowd around the sales booth and fight over their old numbers?

[RandyC]

A grace period is not a bad idea if someone wants to make a proposal and you can convince a majority of the clubs to vote for it.

[kapao818]

[center]
And the flyer was available online at the official site (www.sdr-scca.com (http://www.srd-scca.com)) and posts about the change were made in these forums.
Regards,
-Steve
2006 Solo II Chairman
sorry, but i can't get the link to work. I'm trying to find the flyer so i can apply for a points card.

[RandyC]

There was a typo I corrected for the link.

However, there is no longer a mail in form for card registration, now that has to happen at the events.

[Mazda_Gremlyn]

A grace period is not a bad idea if someone wants to make a proposal and you can convince a majority of the clubs to vote for it.

How would that work exactly?

[nalbar]

you bring your request to your club members, and in your clubs case, you get a consensus of the membership on if they believe a GRACE period is needed (or would be fair), then the club rep (in this case Randy) takes it to the meeting and a proposal is made. At that time the OTHER club reps take it back to THEIR membership and they decide if a GRACE period is need or fair. And 2-3 months later the idea is tabled (without a decision) for future consideration.

Colin, i will GLADLY give you the 10 bucks you are losing NOT to go that route. For that matter; Jeff, I will give you 10 bucks to stop posting about this!


guys, its january TWENTIETH!!! this was first talked about on the site TWO months ago!




nalbar

[Bimota Guy]

sorry, but i can't get the link to work. I'm trying to find the flyer so i can apply for a points card.
(oops, sorry about the typo in the link)

Repeat after me: Solo II card, Solo II card, Solo II card ;)

All competitors require one. To earn points you must join a club.

[froggy47]

The trouble as I see it with the grace period is it ties up a whole bunch of numbers for as long as the grace period is.

So you have to renew your old number or buy new available number and then if you want a number that is "protected" by the grace period switch numbers later on. Then you have points on two different numbers and that needs to be fixed.

Seems like lots more work for the people who volunteer their time to do all this paperwork stuff. And then you would probably still have someone who "didn't hear about it" after the grace period who wants "their" number back.

Just my take on it, feel free to disagree:)

[ejhernandez]

Let me say, though, that 340 members of our region somehow received the word and renewed their Solo-II cards on or before December 31st. This is pretty darn good considering the lack of communication that "they" have. (Sorry about the scarcasm here....having a bad day).
Michael Contour

How many cardholders were there in 2005?

[Bimota Guy]

How many cardholders were there in 2005?
A little over 600.