Another Noob Question

[04SRTMAN]

Can anyone tell me what class a 2004 SRT-4 with these mods will have to run in? Stage 1 Comp
AEM SRI
3" O2 Housing
3" Turboback Exhaust
DC Strut bars
Cause I have no idea and I am afraid I will be thrown in to Street Mod. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanx
Daryl

[MX5bob]

Can anyone tell me what class a 2004 SRT-4 with these mods will have to run in? Stage 1 Comp
AEM SRI
3" O2 Housing
3" Turboback Exhaust
DC Strut bars
Cause I have no idea and I am afraid I will be thrown in to Street Mod. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanx
Daryl

What's the SRI do?

And it's either Street Mod or C Street Prepared or ??? depending on what the SRI does.

[04SRTMAN]

What's the SRI do?

And it's either Street Mod or C Street Prepared or ??? depending on what the SRI does.

SRI = Short Ram Intake. It is a 3" aftermarket intake system.
Sorry about that I am so use to using acronyms.

[frosty]

Were you by any chance the SRT last Sunday?

[jason]

Sorry about that I am so use to using acronyms.

OMGWTFBBQ

[woodrufj]

SRI = Short Ram Intake. It is a 3" aftermarket intake system.
Sorry about that I am so use to using acronyms.
CSP at the worst.

Check the STU rules. Pay attention to the exhaust section, yours might exceed the STU allowances.

STU is mainly suspension mods, few bolt ons. Big sell in ST classes is restrictions on tires. All ST classes require DOT tires of treadwear 140 or more. You as a 2wd in STU would be restriced to 275 in width. Any rims.

CSP is about the same on suspension mods, a few power mods, open boost with stock mechincals (boost chips), but allows R-compound tires on any rims. Which is where the money and street drivability goes out the window.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[nalbar]

Might also be STX.

Jayson, aren't STX and STU just classes using STS rules but for more power? He fits within STS rules except for the boost. Generally speaking WRX's go to STX and STI's go to STU. He would more naturally fit with the Rex's.

I believe his exhaust is no problem as long as he has the cat(s) still in. 'Turbo Back' is the tricky phrase. Once again, STS rules apply. Cat(s) in a certain position. STX, STU, STS require the car to comply with legal smog rules. No cat, no ST classes.

I got in a discusion with a owner about this subject. He said 'read the STU rules and you will see'. His problem was he never read the STS rules. The STU/STX rules are an extension of the STS rules.

The STS rules say you must be smog legal.


nalbar

[woodrufj]

You'd think its a good fit, but STX has a 2.0L forced induction limit, the SRT is a 2.4L. I'm surprised there hasn't been a movement to but it to 2.5L since the new wrxes are 2.5L. Note the Evo is specifically excluded from STX despite fiting the discription (E36 M3 too).

STS requires an oem(ish) cat in stock location (nationally debated gray area at the moment). STX says any cat near stock location (6in maybe?). I don't know what STU says, probably similar.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota


Might also be STX.

Jayson, aren't STX and STU just classes using STS rules but for more power? He fits within STS rules except for the boost. Generally speaking WRX's go to STX and STI's go to STU. He would more naturally fit with the Rex's.

I believe his exhaust is no problem as long as he has the cat(s) still in. 'Turbo Back' is the tricky phrase. Once again, STS rules apply. Cat(s) in a certain position. STX, STU, STS require the car to comply with legal smog rules. No cat, no ST classes.

I got in a discusion with a owner about this subject. He said 'read the STU rules and you will see'. His problem was he never read the STS rules. The STU/STX rules are an extension of the STS rules.

The STS rules say you must be smog legal.


nalbar

[woodrufj]

Oh, I forgot the standard newbe instructions.

If you're new, your going to be slow. Leave the ego at home because some pedestrian looking CRX is going to eat your lunch. AutoX is a competition of skill and experiance, in the grand scheme, very little has to do with how fast your car is. This is telling you not to sweat being stuck in an uber class, 'cus you going to be humbled either way.

Concentrate on staying on not getting lost, not going fast. It takes some skill to read a course, and if your putting your foot to the ground your first time out, your not going to stay within the line. Walk it at least once, take the novice walk. Ask for instruction, if its not the first group enter novice and get someone to ride/drive your car, well worth the price of nothing.

Your second time out, you won't feel as lost, your third time out you might not DNF, your forth time out you'll start to 'get it'.

Don't get killed working either (cone shagging). If at all not confident, ask someone where a better place to stand is. Its plenty safe to be out there working, just don't be stupid.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[nalbar]

Damit! I forgot to say it and you stole my thunder.

"Don't get lost while running,
Don't get killed while working"

Damit!



Oh ya Jayson, the new 2.5 WRX. HAHA for them!


;)


nalbar

[frosty]

STX allows turbo backs. STS doesn't.

It requires the cat to be within 6 inches of the stock location. It requires it to be emissions legal (someone chime in on this, does this mean all the parts need to be CARB or do you just need to pass the sniffer?), not just have a cat.

The new WRX might be stuck in STU, but it actually can play in DS now.


On working the course the first time out, watch out for 'vettes and plug your ears if you see a very noisy car coming.

[nalbar]

CARB Legal.

Passing the sniffer does not mean all that much in CA.



nalbar

[frosty]

That's what I thought.

When I don't know about turbo backs for other cars, but I've yet to find a CARB one for the WRX. Almost all of the parts I've seen that add more power aren't CARB.

Are people who come from out of state for the Nationals expected to de-tune and only have CARB parts on?

[froggy47]

If the car has out of state tags or comes on a trailer I think no problem. Look at the trucks that come up from down south every day.:eek:

[itrbruce]

Originally Posted by frosty
Are people who come from out of state for the Nationals expected to de-tune and only have CARB parts on?
My understanding is no, ST classes only need to be 49 state smog legal.
Speaking of which (but slightly off the subject) re: CAT legality
... Rules for changing Catalytic Converters
... http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/factshts/catcvrts.pdf
... (6) When can I install an aftermarket converter? Generally, there
... are only 3 situations when you can install an aftermarket converter.
... They are:
... (1) if the converter is missing from the vehicle when brought in for
... exhaust system repair; or
... (2) if a State or local inspection program has determined the existing
... converter has been lead poisoned, damaged, or otherwise needs
... replacement; or
... (3) if the vehicle is more than 5 years old or has more than 50,000 miles*
... (8 years/80,000 miles for 1995 and newer vehicles) and a legitimate
... need for replacement has been established and appropriately
... documented (e.g., a plugged converter or unrepairable exhaust leaks).
... Any other converter replacement must be with a 'certified' or new
... original equipment (OE) or equivalent converter.
... Aftermarket converters subject to the enforcement policy requirements
... cannot be used for replacement if:
... (1) the existing converter is present and functioning properly; or
... (2) the replacement is under recall or warranty; or
... (3) the vehicle is returning from from overseas use.
I post this because I always hear people "quote the law", but they always seem to have it wrong and remember, this is the law, but I am not positive how this lines up with the SCCA ST rules.

OK, I am done muddying the waters :o