Waiver question

[minimonster]

Im new to solo2 and i really want to take part in the event on sunday march 19,(Championship, Southeast Lot) but I'm 17 years old, and according to other posts that i have looked at one needs to be 18 to sign the liability waivers; is their some way that i can get my hands on a waiver (email, fax, etc) so that i can have one of my parents sign it before the event?

[ASP 159]

so that i can have one of my parents sign it before the event?

Here is the form: http://www.scca.org/_Filelibrary/File/minorreleaseform2.pdf
It must be printed in color.

If you are going to particapate in the event both parents have to sign the waiver. If they are not at the event where their signatures can be witnessed and signed off you can have the form witnessed by a Notary.

At the top where it says location write: "All events SDR, Qualcomm Stadium, 2006" and it will be good for the rest of the year. Make 2 copies and keep one.

[DelSolBurrow]

hey dude whats up it john from auto tech. They are allowing ppl do buy the solo II cards at the practice event if u want to do that event as well. just though i should let u know b/c i just noticed the post.

peace

[minimonster]

whatsup
question, do i also need a parent signiture for the solo2 card, or can i just show up on that sunday and get it (cant make it to saturdays practice:( )
thanks

[MX5bob]

whatsup
question, do i also need a parent signiture for the solo2 card, or can i just show up on that sunday and get it (cant make it to saturdays practice:( )
thanks

Don't need a parent's signature for the solo 2 card.

[minimonster]

one more question, even though i'm not on the list for the March 18 practise, can i still just show up to watch(not drive) and get a solo2 card, or do i actually have to take part in that event to be able to get a solo2card?

[frosty]

one more question, even though i'm not on the list for the March 18 practise, can i still just show up to watch(not drive) and get a solo2 card, or do i actually have to take part in that event to be able to get a solo2card?

You can come, watch, and get a Solo2 card without running. I know this because my dad did it at the last practice.

[woodrufj]

one more question, even though i'm not on the list for the March 18 practise, can i still just show up to watch(not drive) and get a solo2 card, or do i actually have to take part in that event to be able to get a solo2card?
Not as strict as if you're a driver, but you'll still need a parent signature to get in the gate.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[nalbar]

one more question, even though i'm not on the list for the March 18 practise, can i still just show up to watch(not drive) and get a solo2 card, or do i actually have to take part in that event to be able to get a solo2card?


If you get there in the morning, ask #75 for a ride. He may be able to beg a few others to give you a ride also.


nalbar

[woodrufj]

If you get there in the morning, ask #75 for a ride.If you're looking for Warren (nalbar), its easier to look a giant white washing machine (Toyota Matrix) than the number "75".

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[minimonster]

what is a good time to be at the practise on saturday to watch and get my Solo2 card, earlier is better for me, 7:30? 8:00?

[nalbar]

You can't go wrong with 7:30-8:00. It also allows you to walk the course. Even if you are not running in the practice walking the course has advantages.


nalbar

[MX5bob]

You can't go wrong with 7:30-8:00. It also allows you to walk the course. Even if you are not running in the practice walking the course has advantages.


nalbar

Getting a course walk with an experienced driver and the riding with that person would be good instruction.

[CNaylor]

More clarification on the minor waiver.

One parent must sign in person at the event, the second parent 's signature can be notarized. The document does not state the type of notarization needed, nor does it have notarial wording on it. The notary can not legally tell you what wording to have (CA determines that to be practicing law) to be added to the form. You need to let the notary know that you need a "CA All Purpose Acknowledgment, loose certificate" added to the document.

To watch, only one parents signature is needed. To participate, that means to be anywhere other than behind the flag line, ie. as a driver, passenger, or even in the grid area. you need the minor for signed by both parents.

Craig

[RandyC]

And more clarification...

SCCA can't require both parents, when you may only have one. In fact, you may only have one legal guardian. And the gate person is really not qualified to tell you that your one parent's signature is not sufficient, since they do not know your personal situation.

Gate worker: "Sorry, you need both parents signatures. I only see one"
Minor: "My dad is dead, how would you propose I get this other signature?"
Gate worker: "Um... never mind"

[woodrufj]

SCCA can't require both parents, when you may only have one. In fact, you may only have one legal guardian.And this is where it gets ugly. I've been told in the past that you need both signatures, or proof that there is only one gaurdian (like sole gaurdian papers, or death certificate!).

You really want to know the right answer, have to go to SCCA.

Jay W
505/287 Dakota

[MX5bob]

More clarification on the minor waiver.

One parent must sign in person at the event, the second parent 's signature can be notarized. ...

Craig

From the Rally/Solo Waiver Guidlines:


B. Minor Waivers
1) Minor waivers are executed by the parent(s)/legal guardian(s), NOT the minor. Do
not have minors sign adult waiver forms.
2) “Minors” in almost all states is defined as anyone under 18. Check with your state’s
authorities if you are uncertain.
3) Waivers should be signed by BOTH parents or legal guardians. Both signatures are
required for minors participating as drivers, passengers, course workers or in any capacity
where they will be permitted to enter a “hot” restricted area such as the course
and grid. Other minors may be admitted on a per event basis with one parent’s signature.
4) If both signatures are obtained on a single waiver form, the waiver may be used as an
“annual” waiver. See Guidelines for additional details.

No where in the rules does it state that one of the parents needs to sign at the event.

[ASP 159]

Craig, Not true. If the MS-2a is signed by both parents witnessed by a Notary who then signs in the space provided and affixes their stamp to the MS-2a the minor is good to go. Neither parent or guardian needs to be presant and the form does not need a SCCA offical's signature.

Randy,speelshecker?!!

[RandyC]

Good catch, I missed that.

Back when they first passed these new rules, I was involved in trying to get clarification from SCCA (Pete Lyons) because implementation was so potentially problematic. A minor could, unbeknown to us, drive around to the other side of the stadium and have his "guardian" sign the form and then bring it back.

SPEELCHEEKER? ;) English is my second language, it is not that hard. :)

[MX5bob]

Hi Bob,

Unfortunately, that document is about as simple as it can get.

One parent can sign the waiver for the minor to be on the event site.

For an annual minor waiver (good all year) and/or for a minor competitor (driver), all custodial parents have to sign the waiver. If there is only one parent with sole custody, that's the only signature required but some notification has to show that the parent has sole custody. (I believe there is a check box for this on the newer minor waivers.) Annual minor waivers are marked "All Events" on the date line and the parent just has to show their copy when entering the site (no more minor waivers till the next year).

It is best to have all parents' signatures witnessed by an adult SCCA member. If this is done, there is no need for the waiver to be notarized. If one of the parents cannot be witnessed by an adult SCCA member, the waiver can be notarized as a substitute. Example: If the mother won't/can't come to the event to sign the minor waiver in the presence of an adult SCCA member, then the father can take another waiver and get the mother's signature notarized on the minor waiver. Then the father can bring the minor waiver to the next event and his signature can be witnessed by an adult SCCA member. Until both parents sign the waiver, the minor cannot drive in the event.

It is not necessary to have the waiver notarized if both parents' signatures are witnessed by an adult SCCA member. An adult SCCA member can witness the signatures anytime (you could go to their house and get the signatures) and the minor waiver does not have to be notarized. A notary is only necessary when a signature cannot be witnessed by an SCCA member.

Again, one parent can sign the minor waiver and the minor can be on the event site.

Annual minor waivers require both parents' signatures (or the parent's signature that has sole custody with appropriate designation - check box, signed note, etc).

Minor drivers also have to have all custodial parents' signature (same as annual minor waiver).

I hope I've been clear and not too repetitive. Minor waivers seem to be one of those things that if you don't get it, you don't get it. But when you do get it, you got it.

Hope this helps. - Doug

Doug Gill SCCA Solo Technical Manager P O Box 19400 Topeka, KS 66619-0400 1-800-770-2055 SCCA National Solo Rules


Original Message----- From: Bob Beamesderfer [mailto:rsb195@sbcglobal.net (rsb195@sbcglobal.net)] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:05 PM To: Doug Gill
Subject: Solo Waiver guidlines

Doug, Is there a more detailed document than the one found here: http://www.scca.org/_Filelibrary/File/solo-rallysolowaiverguide.pdf

There seems to be some confusion about whether one parent must sign the minor waiver at the event site.

My understanding is that if both parents sign and the waiver is notarized that is acceptable. A harder situation that might come up is if there is only one parent and how event officials determine that the waiver is signed properly by only one parent.

This covers most of it; I asked for a little more clarification on the 2 signatures notarized question.

[MX5bob]

It's acceptable. I understand that it's just better to have at least one
parent's signature witnessed by an adult SCCA member.

Is this a minor at events without a parent? Is the minor a driver?

Later,

- Doug

Doug Gill
SCCA Solo Technical Manager
P O Box 19400
Topeka, KS 66619-0400
1-800-770-2055

SCCA National Solo Rules -
http://www.scca.com/Solo/Index.asp?IdS=019BFD-111E000&x=050|070&~=
FasTrack - http://www.scca.com/Garage/


Thanks Doug,

One thing I'm still not completely clear on is whether a waiver with
both parents' signatures and a notary's is acceptable.

So, a waiver with both signatures that are notarized is acceptable, but not ideal.
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