Minimum age for fun run passenger?

[Larry]

I used "age" in the search function and don't recall seeing anything in the SCCA rulebook about this. Is there a local rule about this? My son just turned 12 and was wondering how many more years before I get to put his waste management control to the test. :shift: Thanks.

[RandyC]

The minimum age to ride is 12. The passenger must have a signed waiver (in your son's case, a minor waiver) and also be an SCCA member.

They offer weekend SCCA memberships and I believe for passengers only, there is no charge for that membership.

[Larry]

That's great news. Thanks. He just read your response and is now motivated to helping me put the car together (I'm motivated too, it's just that I have several other irons in the fire at the moment).

[woodrufj]

BTW, By both parents if applicable and must be SCCA member witnessed (at the gate) or noterized (off site).


The passenger must have signed a waiver (in your son's case, a minor waiver).

[RandyC]

BTW, By both parents if applicable and must be SCCA member witnessed (at the gate) or noterized (off site).


According to the info I read, that is only true if they are competing. If spectating or riding, they need one sig.

[woodrufj]

According to the info I read, that is only true if they are competing. If spectating or riding, they need one sig.
Better ask the safeties. I'm pretty sure its any 'hotzone', i.e. everything but spectator (paddock) areas.

Jay W

[RandyC]

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MINOR RELEASE AND WAIVER OF LIABILITY AND INDEMNITY AGREEMENT
(READ CAREFULLY BEFORE SIGNING)
________________________________________________ ___________________________________
EVENT NAME/LOCATION EVENT DATE(S)
IN CONSIDERATION of allowing the below MINOR participant to compete, officiate, observe, work for, or participate in any way in the above event and/or activities (“Event(s)”) and/or being permitted to enter for any purpose any RESTRICTED AREA (defined as any area requiring special authorization, credentials or permission to enter or any area to which admission by the general public is restricted or prohibited, including but not limited to the competition area and any hot pit or paddock area), EACH OF THE UNDERSIGNED, for himself/herself, his/her personal representatives, heirs and next of kin agrees:
In accordance with SCCA insurance guidelines, all competing and non-competing
participants over the age of majority in the state in which the event is being conducted must sign a Release and Waiver of Liability,
Assumption of Risk and Indemnity Agreement (form MS1.) Those under
the age of majority must have a completed Minor Release and Waiver of Liability
and Indemnity Agreement (form MS2 or MS2A) on file with the
Registrar/Region. All competitors, except participants in the Junior Driver
program, must also have a valid driver's license.
For competitors, the Minor Waiver form must be signed by both parents/legal
guardians.For non-competitors, the form may be signed by only
one parent/legal guardian on a per-event basis. If signed by both parents/legal
guardians, the form is valid at all Solo events held in that Region
for the remainder of that calendar year unless otherwise notified.
All parent/legal guardian signatures must be witnessed by an adult SCCA
member. The Region may, at its discretion, require that any form
completed off-site be signed and witnessed in the presence of an adult SCCA
member or a Notary.
Copies of the original Minor Waiver form may be used at individual events or a
Minor Photo ID card may be issued by the Region. Minors may
not attend non-spectator events without a properly completed
waiver


<cite>Nancy Downing wrote:</cite>Passengers, who must meet the requirements of Section 1.3.2.C of the
2008 National Solo Rules, must be members. They can be either be Regular
members(First Gear, Military, Spouse, Family, etc.) or be Weekend
Members.
However, while non-member passengers must fill out a Weekend Membership
form, the Region will NOT be billed or charged the usual $5 for these
folks. To avoid any confusion in the processing on either end (Region or
National Office), please write "Passenger" on the Weekend Membership
form near the number in the upper right corner.

Hope this helps.


Nancy Downing
Solo Events Manager
1-800-770-2055

[ULLLOSE]

They way I see it if they are going to be in a car, driving or not, both parents have to sign:

1.3.1 Insurance Requirements - Refer to Introductory Section I.10
of these Rules.
In accordance with the SCCA insurance guidelines, all competing
and non-competing participants over the age of majority in the state
in which the event is being conducted must sign a Release and
Waiver of Liability, Assumption of Risk and Indemnity Agreement
(form MS-1). Those under the age of majority must have a
completed Minor Release and Waiver of Liability and Indemnity
Agreement (form MS-2A) on file with a Registrar/Region. All
competitors, except participants in the Junior Driver program, must
also have a valid driver’s license.
For competitors, the Minor Waiver form must be signed by both
parents/legal guardians if the minors are to be drivers/passengers.
For non-competitors, the form may be signed by only one parent/
legal guardian on a per-event basis. If signed by both parents/legal
guardians, the form is valid at all Solo events held in that Region for
the remainder of that calendar year unless otherwise notified.
All parent/legal guardian signatures must be witnessed by an adult
SCCA member. The Region may, at its discretion, require that any
form completed off-site be signed and witnessed in the presence of
an adult SCCA member or a Notary.
Copies of the original Minor Waiver form

[ULLLOSE]

To further confuse yourself look at 13.2.N.: Children under twelve (12) years of age and pets shall be prohibited
in the staging, grid, start/finish and course areas. Drivers
from eight (8) to twelve (12) years of age who are participating in
an approved Junior Driver program under the requirements of
Section 19.2 are exempt from this prohibition during their run
group. Otherwise they too are prohibited from these areas.
Furthermore, staging, grid, start/finish, and course workers should
be at least sixteen (16) years of age. Drivers from eight (8) to
15 sixteen (16) years of age should be assigned to other worker
duties as outlined in Section 19

Good luck getting a minor passenger onto the course without breaking this one. :thwack: What a mess.

[ULLLOSE]

btw this rule may change in a few weeks depending on what happens with prop 8, might need a rewrite.

[rtomlinson]

It's enough to make a Safety Steward's hair turn grey.:p

[nalbar]

HMMM, that email from Nancy looks familiar. Section 1.3.2.C does NOT say what Nancy claims it does, and when I mentioned that to her she said:

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"The weekend membership requirement is not a solo rule but is an addition to it, as well as an addition to club racing, rally, etc. By quoting the passage I was indicating the minimum solo requirements to have anyone drive or ride along."

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The SCCA requirement is not in that rule. It's an insurance thing.


One more thing;

First time Jr Kart drivers DO NOT need to be members of the SCCA. They get a one time exemption from that rule. It's a method to increase participation in the program.

That means they are the only people not in the SCCA allowed on course during a run.


nalbar

[nalbar]

It's enough to make a Safety Steward's hair turn grey.:p


Nah.

Like Larry says;

Common Sense.




nalbar

[MX5bob]

The minimum age to ride is 12. The passenger must have signed a waiver (in your son's case, a minor waiver) and also be an SCCA member.

They offer weekend SCCA memberships and I believe for passengers only, there is no charge for that membership.

First, NO. Minors MAY NOT sign any waiver. Minor waivers for those in "hot" areas, ie, paddock, grid, course, passenger, driver, MUST be signed by both parents either in front of an full SCCA member and/or notarized.

Second, no charge for weekend SCCA membership for passengers.

[MX5bob]

btw this rule may change in a few weeks depending on what happens with prop 8, might need a rewrite.

Does the rule not mention guardians?

[RandyC]

English and me are not the best of friends. I should have worded it more clearly...move the word "a" to before signed.... to say "Passenger must have a signed waiver." I never meant that the underage passenger should sign the waiver. :)

[RandyC]

If you read all the above, you can see the information we are getting is not that cut and dried.

[nalbar]

It's all pretty clear;

Everyone that rides in a car, passenger or driver, MUST be members of the SCCA, with the lone exception of first time Jr Kart drivers, who get a one time exemption.

Those in hot areas, which includes passengers, must have a waiver signed by both parents, IF POSSIBLE. Regions have the option of 'off site signings' being witnessed by a notary.

Those staying in the parking lot only need one parent to sign.

Did I get it right?


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Common sense is the rule. When Randy, Bob and I were young, two parent families were all there was. It's different now. Not every child has access to both parents.

How about this one; Child is on a family membership (and has proof) and comes to an event with one parent, who signs a minor waiver. Can he/she go for a ride? The membership is pretty good proof of parental consent (which is what a waiver actually is), yet two parents have not signed. By the rules he/she could not run, which is why the parents are supposed to have a copy of the two signee waiver always with them. But c'mon! He/she is a member, and is eligible to DRIVE in most Regions.

It all strikes me as much ado about little.


nalbar

[nalbar]

BTW,

Those holding a paid for Weekend SCCA Membership are FULL SCCA members.

It says so right on the form;

'This certificate serves as a full credential to all SCCA events, excluding SCCA Pro Racing events. This membership entitles the holder to OFFICIATE or compete with the proper license at any SCCA event.'

There are no 'tiered' Memberships. Those holding a Weekend pass have all the rights and responsibilities as those paying for a year membership.

They are NOT second class citizens.



nalbar

[woodrufj]

This is suppose to change for '09. WE memberships aren't suppose to be offered/honored at Tours, Pros, nationals. I bet the form won't change though.

Jay W


BTW,

Those holding a paid for Weekend SCCA Membership are FULL SCCA members.

It says so right on the form;

'This certificate serves as a full credential to all SCCA events, excluding SCCA Pro Racing events. This membership entitles the holder to OFFICIATE or compete with the proper license at any SCCA event.'

There are no 'tiered' Memberships. Those holding a Weekend pass have all the rights and responsibilities as those paying for a year membership.

They are NOT second class citizens.



nalbar

[MX5bob]

English and me are not the best of friends. I should have worded it more clearly...move the word "a" to before signed.... to say "Passenger must have a signed waiver." I never meant that the underage passenger should sign the waiver. :)

English is heartbroken, Randy, and says she's always tried. :D

[RandyC]

English is heartbroken, Randy, and says she's always tried. :D


She was never first for me anyway. My second language actually. :)

Back on topic, I think it would be good to have the rules distilled down to something easy to comprehend for everyone.

[rtomlinson]

If the rules and regs were straight foward, simple and to the point then what would the lawyers and politicians have to do?:) Also my hair would not be so grey.;)